Saturday Night Genealogical Fun: My Paternal grandmother's Paternal Line

1) What was your father's mother's name?

2) What is your father's mother's patrilineal line? That is, her father's father's father's ... back to the most distant male ancestor in that line?

3) Can you identify male sibling(s) of your father's mother, and any living male descendants from those male sibling(s)? If so, you have a candidate to do a Y-DNA test on that  patrilineal line. If not, you may have to find male siblings, and their descendants, of the next generation back, or even further.

4)  Tell us about it in your own blog post, or in a comment on this post, or in a Facebook or Google Plus post.

1)      My Father's mother was Margaret Hansen, later Margaret Hansen Hillinger. She was born in 1919 to Holger and Oline Hansen in Cleveland, Ohio.

2)      Holger's line:
* Holger was born 1891 and died in 1977.
* His father was Jens Christian Hansen (1858-1919), who married Else Katrine Larsen (1865-1934).
* Jen's father was Hans Knudsen (1824-1902), who married Christine Jensdatter (1834-1918).
* Hans Knudsen was born to Knud Knudsen (1794-1866) and Ane Marie Hansdatter (1797-1876).
* Knud Knudsen was born to Knud Madsen (born about 1730, died unknown) and Karen Pedersdatter (born about 1752, died unknown)
* Knud Madsen's father was likely Mads something, but we have no actual information about him or his wife, so Knud Madsen is the end of the information I have on this line.

3)      Nana (my grandmother) had one brother, who is now deceased. He did, however have two sons, both of whom are still alive, or were last I heard.

I have to say, I haven't considered the DNA testing yet because I still have so much to go through with all the papers that I do have. Moreover, I probably wouldn't test this line as this one goes pretty far back (18th century is better than several lines I have…) The one I am interested for Nana is her mother's line, so I'd have to go one generation back on her mother's side. I do think there are some there, but I don't have any contact with them at this time, so that would take a little doing. Still, it could be interesting.

Saturday Night Genealogy Fun - Cousins!

I have not posted here in far too long. But I couldn't resist this week's Saturday Night Genealogy Fun Challenge:
Your mission, should you decide to accept it (cue the Mission Impossible! music) is to: 
1)  Take both sets of your grandparents and figure out how many first cousins you have, and how many first cousins removed (a child or grandchild of a first cousin) you have.

2)  Extra Credit:  Take all four sets of your great-grandparents and figure out how many second cousins you have, and how many second cousins removed you have.

HINT:  Make a Descendants Chart with your genealogy software program!

3)  Tell us the grandparents and great-grandparents names, but don't give the name of living cousins unless you want to.  

4)  Are there any of those lines that you don't know all of the cousins names?  Do you care?  
5)  Tell us about them in your own blog post, in a comment to this blog post, or in a Facebook or Google+ post of your own.  Be sure to drop a comment to this post to link to your work. 

So here's mine.

First cousins are easy. My Mom's side of the family, she's the only one of my grandparents' children to have kids, so there are no cousins there, just me and my sister. My dad's side of the family, his brother had two sons, and his younger sister had twins, a boy and a girl. So I have four cousins there. My uncle's  eldest son has two children, so I have two first cousins once removed there as well. 

Count of First cousins: 4 First, 2 First once removed.

Second cousins are where it gets complicated for me.

My dad's dad's parents were Elias and Dora Hillinger. They had six children: 
Ben, who married several times, but has no children we know of. 
Mina, who had two daughters, The elder of which had three sons, and the younger of which had a son and a daughter. The eldest of those five cousins has two children, a son and a daughter. (count 5 second, 2 second once removed)
Sam, my grandfather, already covered above, four kids, two sons two daughters, six grandkids, four great-grandkids (my sister has two as well). (count 4 first, 2 first once removed)
Helena, who had one son before her death at the age of thirty. We're uncertain what happened with him, but I don't believe he had any children, as he was sent to live in a home because he had developmental issues.
Peppi, who had three sons, each of whom had two children. (count 6 second)
Selma, who had four children. The first had two sons, the second had five children, and the third had three. The second child's third child also had one son. (count 10 second, 1 second once removed)

Sub total of cousins for this branch: 21 second cousins, 3 second cousins once removed.

My dad's mom's parents were Holger and Oline Hansen. They had three children:
Maggie, my grandmother, already covered above, same count of kids and cousins as Sam.
Marilyn, who had two daughters. The elder daughter had two sons, the younger had four children, her second child has two kids as well. (count 6 second, 2 second once removed)
Torben, who had two sons, neither of which had children.

Easy branch to calculate.
Sub total of cousins for this branch: 6 second cousins, 2 second cousins once removed.

My mom's dad's parents were Bjarne and Mary Bordewick. They had two sons:
George, my grandfather. He had four children, two sons and one daughter. My mother was the only one to give he and my grandmother grandkids. No cousins in this line as said above.
Henry, who died at the age of 19 during World War II, and therefore never had a chance to marry or have kids.

Another easy branch to calculate.
Sub total of cousins for this branch: None!

And then we come to the hardest branch...
My mom's mom's parents were Daniel and Eliza (Bessie) Jones. They had four children:
Marjorie, who had three daughters. Her eldest daughter had five children. The first had five, and now has a grand-daughter. The second had three, as did the third, and the youngest two had two each. (count 5 second, 14 second once removed, 1 second twice removed)
Her second had two children, a girl and a boy. The girl had three children, and the boy two. (count 2 second, 5 second once removed)
Her third had four children by her first husband, and two by her second. Her eldest daughter has six including her husband's eldest son, her eldest son has three, and her youngest daughter by her first marriage just adopted her husband's five to raise. (count 6 second, 14 second once removed)
Subtotal of Marjorie's descendants: 13 second cousins, 33 second once removed, 1 second twice removed.
Edwina, who had one son, and helped to raise her husband's two sons by his first marriage. The eldest son had two girls, the older of which has three girls. The second son had two boys. The youngest had developmental problems, and never married. (count 4 second, 3 second once removed)
Merle, my grandmother, detailed above with George.
Ivor, who had two daughters before his first wife's death, and no children after. His elder daughter had a son and a daughter. The son has three sons, and the daughter has two sons and a daughter. His younger daughter had two daughters, the elder of which now has two sons. (count 4 second, 8 second once removed)

Full total of my second cousins through Daniel and Eliza's descendents: 21 second cousins, 44 second cousins once removed, 1 second cousin twice removed.

Grand Total: 4 first cousins, 2 first cousins once removed; 48 second cousins, 49 second cousins once removed, 1 second cousin twice removed.

Yikes.

I'm pretty sure my tree is at least 90% up to date. I haven't  heard of any cousins having more, though I haven't asked around in the last few months, so that may have changed. Family, if you have any comments/additions, do let me know.

Matrilinial Monday – Ivare Kirstine Larsen

Photo of Kirstine & Jørgen found in a Vejle museum
Name: Ivare Kirstine Christensen
Called by Grandkids: I have a feeling my great-grandfather may have called her Bestemor. Apparently she was very fond of him. Otherwise, he and his siblings would have called her Mormor, as she was their mother's mother.
Birth: 1845 Vindbjerg, Denmark
Death: 1932 Vejle, Denmark
Spouse: Jørgen Larsen
Marriage: 1863 Vejle, Denmark
Children: Else Katrine, Kirstine, Birte Marie, Mette Margrethe, Lars Kristian, Maren Kirstine, Søren, Dagmar Augusta, Ane Marie
Parents: Kresten Christensen and Else Katrine Ivarsdatter
Siblings: I only know of one, though I know she had more: Katrine
About: Kirstine was born into a farming community, and I assume her father was a farmer, though at this moment, I know almost nothing about him, so that may not be true. At 18, she married farmer Jørgen Larsen, and the two proceeded to have nine children together, the oldest of whom was my great-great grandmother.
The one actual tale I have of her is when my great-grandfather was ill as a young boy. She lived in a house in town by that point, but they lived out in the countryside, and couldn't even afford to take him to town by cart, so his mother carried him all the way to town, and after he was discharged, he was sent to live with his grandparents until he was well enough to return home. According to his aunt Dagmar, this ended up being more than a year because Kirstine was so fond of him, and continued to insist that he stay.
She lived until the age of 86, and at the time of her death, her children had given her at least 18 grandchildren (I have limited info on several of her children's lives, so it is possible they had children that I do not know of), and at least 15 great-grandchildren.

Kirstine (right) with her daughter (left, grandson's wife, grandson, and their eldest daughter, ca 1926

Brick Wall People – Part 19 – Henrick Hansen


No Photo
Name: Henrich Hansen
Birth: 1793
Death: unknown
Marriage: 1819, Trondheim, Norway
Location(s): Trondheim, Norway
Relation to me: Henrich Hansen was my mother's father's father's mother's mother's father. Which makes her 7th generation before me.
Alias(es): none known
Parents: unknown
Spouse(s): Susanne Pedersdatter
Children: 1 known – Pauline Henrikke Roness
Other Family: none known
Details: Henrich Hanson is one where the names start to get blurred in my family tree. Given his daughter's name, I assume the Roness was a location appellation, and that he likely had it too at one point, just not on the records I have found. But because I have not found it in the records I have that show him, I am still a bit unsure if he is the father I am trying to find in this instance, as he is not listed in the family record that was compiled by one of the Bordewich family in Minnesota. He is listed on his daughter's marriage record, but the name is such a common name, it's hard to be certain I have the correct one.

I know nothing of his life, though I assume he was born in Norway, and will until I am proven otherwise wrong. Beyond that, I have almost nothing. I don't know what he did for a living, or where he lived, though it is likely he was located in Trodheim for a time, as that is where his daughter was born. I'd love to know more about him and his family, both with his wife, and what siblings he may have had.
Proof:
1)      My first proof for Henrick is his daughter's marriage record. Without that, I would have had no clue even who to start looking for. It gives only his name, however, which got me little further.
2)      The second proof I have for him was Pauline's birth record. This gives only a bit more information, but it also lists his wife, which made it possible to find the third bit of proof.
3)      With his wife's name, I was also able to find a marriage record for the couple, though that gave me only a little more information, and got me no further back in Henrich's line.
Needed:
As with most of my other brick walls, I have little BMD info, so I would love to get that better recorded. As I said above, I'd also love to know more about his life with his wife, and how many children they had, and who his parents were, and if he had any siblings. I'd also like to understand the Roness name better, as I'm sure there's something there that I am missing.

As always, if my family or anyone out there has any more information on this family, I'd love to talk to you about them. I'd love to learn more on any of them, if at all possible.

Matrilinial Monday – Christine Knudsen

No Known Photo

Name: Christine Jensdatter
Called by Grandkids: I assume my great-grandfather would have called her farmor, as she was his father's mother.
Birth: 1834, Thyregod, Vejle, Denmark
Death: 1918, Thyregod, Vejle, Denmark
Spouse: Hans Knudsen
Marriage: 1854, Thyregod, Vejle, Denmark
Children: Jens Christian, Ane Marie, Karen, Mette Marie, Knudmine, Jens Skov, Knud Peter Ingvard, Hans Christian
Parents: Jens Christian Pedersen & Mette Matisdatter
Siblings: Ane Cathrine, Christine, Mathias, Petrea Ane, Peder, Poul Christian, Christen, Karl
About: This is the level of my genealogy where I start to run out of substantive information. I know more about the other branch of my great-grandfather's family than I do about this one, and have three photos of his grandmother on that side, but none of this grandmother. Obviously, she lived in Vejle her whole life, and was surrounded by family until her death. Her husband was a farmer, so I imagine their lives were busy, and that they struggled quite a bit. Especially with eight kids to raise and feed.
She lived a good long life, though; she was 83 when she died. At her death, all 8 of her children that I know of were still very much alive, and all had started families by then. She had just welcomed her 44th grandchild into the world. She also had at least one great-grandchild before her death, and at least three more were born in the following year.

Brick Wall People – Part 18 – Henrich Christian Schrøder

No Photo
Name: Henrich Christian Schrøder
Birth: 1790, Slots-Bjergby, Denmark
Death: unknown
Marriage: 1817, Slots-Bjergby, Denmark
Location(s): Slots-Bjergby, Denmark
Relation to me:Henrich Christian Schrøder was my father's mother's mother's mother's mother's father. Which makes him 7th generation before me.
Alias(es): None known at this time.
Parents: unknown
Spouse(s): Anne Sorensdatter
Children: 3 known – Birthe Marie, Niels, Caroline
Other Family: none known
Details: Henrich is a very recent discovery that I have yet to prove, but the information matches my Birthe Marie's, so I believe that he is the right father for her, or at least am inclined to until I am proven wrong. As it is, I know nothing about this man, given that he is such a recent discovery. I look forward to learning more about him and his family.
Proof:
1)      The only proof I have of Henrich is a PAF file I found at Family Search, so the information is sketchy at best at the moment, until I can find more, but the Birthe Marie in the file definitely matched mine, so it matches in that way, at the very least
Needed:
Anything on this man. All I have came from the PAF file, so I have no absolute proof one way or the other that its information is valid at all as of yet. I am pleased to see that the family seems to have been located in Slots-Bjergby for at least three generations, given his granddaughter was also born there.

As always, if my family or anyone out there has any more information on this family, I'd love to talk to you about them. I'd love to learn more on any of them, if at all possible.

Matrilinial Monday – Selina Howells

The Howells ca 1885, shortly before the move to Canada
Name: Selina Roberts
Called by Grandkids: Grandmother Howells, I think
Birth: 1846, Duffryn, Wales
Death: 1933, Vancouver, BC, Canada
Spouse: Gabriel Howells
Marriage: 1874
Children: Ellen Catherine, Howell Gabriel, Selina Jane, Gwen Mary, Hugh Cadvan, Eliza Anne, Catherine, Edward Gabriel
Parents: Hugh Roberts and Ellen Griffiths (or possibly Pugh)
Siblings: none I'm aware of
About: I know little of Selina's early life. Only that she was born and raised in North Wales, where she met and married her husband Gabriel. Gabriel was from a long line of weavers and stone masons in the area, and so he made a living there for a time while they started a family together. Unfortunately, in 1877, a whooping cough epidemic swept through the area and the couple lost their eldest two children. They had three more after, but eventually the couple decided to leave, hoping to find a more hospitable location for their family.

They moved to Southern Wales, where Gabriel took a job in the mines doing Masonry. It was hard, dangerous work, and soon enough, the couple decided to move again. By this time, they had six children. They moved across the ocean and settled on Gabriel's brother's farm in Saskatchewan, Canada. Unfortunately, between the two families, there simply wasn't enough space, and Gabriel really wasn't a farmer at heart, so the family moved again, settling in Winnipeg. The children all grew up there, and began their adult lives there.

Hugh served during World War I, and he was the first to move away from the area, settling in BC. The rest of the family soon followed, most settling in and around Vancouver, BC. Selina and her husband eventually followed, wanting to stay close to their children.

The couple lived long enough to celebrate their 50th wedding anniversary, surrounded by nearly all their children and grandchildren, even one branch that had travelled from California to be at the event. At the time of her death, Selina had 6 children, all of whom were married, and at least eighteen grandchildren.

Gabriel & Selina's 50th anniversary, with most of the family in attendance.

About this blog

This blog is maintained by two sisters who have had a life long interest in geneology.
Mika writes here mostly about our family (Hansen, Hillinger, Bordewick, Park, etc), and her search for more information.
Shannon mostly uses this space as a place to make the many stories written about and by her husband's family (Holly, Walker, Walpole, etc) available to the rest of the family, present and future.

Our blog is named Oh Spusch! mostly because Shannon is bad at naming things. The first post I put up includes a story about the time Walker's great grandfather took his whole family out to see a play and the littlest kept saying "Oh! Spusch!" No one ever figured out what she meant by that.