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Name: Hans Henrich Bordevick
Birth: 1769, Bardowick, Germany
Death: April 26, 1813, Veilholmen, Norway
Marriage: August 23, 1796, Trondheim, Norway
Location(s): Bardowick, Germany; Veilholmen, Norway, Trondheim, Norway
Relation to me:Hans Henrich Bordevick was my mother's father's father's mother's father's father. Which makes him 7th generation before me. He is also 8th generation on the other side of this same family.
Alias(es): Hans Henrich Bordewich
Parents: unknown
Spouse(s): Anna Magdalena Johnsdatter Tiller
Children: Ole Hansen, Johan Petter, Hans Oliver
Other Family: none known
Details:
Hans is one of the few of my brick walls that has been almost researched to death. Not by me, but by the Bordewich/ Bordewick family in general. We know he was born in an old town that had been decimated during the Hundred Years war, and that is where our ancestral name of Bordevig/ Bordevick/ Bordewich/ Bordewick comes from. There is some speculation that he changed his name at some point before leaving Germany or after arriving in Norway, as we have found records with similar information, but the name itself does not match. As of yet, this has not been proven, however.
What we do know is that Hans Henrich arrived in Norway in the late 1700s and one of our first records of him is his papers for Norwegian citizenship so that he could become a ship's captain. We also have documentation on a few ships, and of his marriage to a lovely Norwegian girl by the name of Anna, with whom he had three boys. The eldest died in infancy, and Hans died himself when the youngest boy was only about six in a shipwreck of the coast of Norway. He and his crew made land, but froze to death before help could reach them. His eldest remaining son took care of the family as well as he could after his passing, though we have little record of that time until Johan's own marriage.
Anna lived for many years past her husband's early death, dying in 1846, some thirty years later.
Proof:
1) As I said above, the family has researched Hans Henrich heavily in an attempt to get past the block in the tree he represents. So I was given quite a bit of information on Johan over the years from my grandfather's notes, as well as the other Genealogists in my extended family, the primary version of which was various forms of the family tree.
2) The second bit of proof I have on Hans Henrich is the notes from Johan Petter, who recorded quite a bit about his family over the years, though mostly about his children.
3) The first time I was able to find information on my family online was a tree about the Hagerup family, which was related to Johan's daughter-in-law, who married my great-great-great grandfather.
4) After that, I began to find records at Family Search. The most important of these is the marriage record for Hans Henrich and Anna Magdalena Tiller.
5) The Baptismal record for Johan Petter also has Hans Henrich listed, though Johan is listed as Johan Petter Hans Henrichsen Bordevick.
6) Then there is Johan's marriage record to his first wife, and the marriage record of Hans Oliver to Edwardine Tiller (an adopted daughter into his mother's brother's family, the story goes).
New Proof of Hans Henrich:
7) I now have a birth record for Oliver, Johan's younger brother.
8) And I also have baptismal records for all three of his sons.
9) There is also a marriage record for Oliver to his wife Edvardine.
Needed:
In this case, as you can see, I have a bit more. I have firmed up his death date now, but still don't know his exact date of birth. The main thing we're looking for is proof of Hans Henrich's life in Germany, and where he was born. We'd love to know who his parents were. As I said, we have a guess on this, but no way to prove it at this time, so we are currently unable to get further in this family. I also have a suspicion that he may have come to Norway with a brother, perhaps, as there are records of another Bordewig in Norway at about the same time, though I haven't done a detailed search on him yet. Probably a good next step to take, actually.
As always, if my family or anyone out there has any more information on this family, I'd love to talk to you about them. I'd love to learn more on any of them, if at all possible.
Brick Wall People Redux – Part 19 – Hans Henrich Bordevick
Brick Wall People Redux – Part 18 – Anne Sorensdatter
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Name: Anne Sorensdatter
Birth: about 1795, Slots-Bjergby, Denmark
Death: February 2, 1833, Sørbymagle, Sorø, Denmark
Marriage: November 20, 1817, Slots-Bjergby Denmark
Location(s): Slots-Bjergby, Denmark
Relation to me: Anne Sorensdatter would be my father's mother's mother's mother's mother's mother. Which would make her 7th generation before me, if I can prove her.
Alias(es): None known at this time.
Parents: unknown, though her father's name is likely Soren.
Spouse(s): Henrich Christian Schrøder
Children: Christiane Maren, Birthe Marie, Caroline, Niels
Other Family: none known
Details:
I found Anne and her husband in a PAF file on Family Search, which means that the connection was highly speculative, but at this point, I am fairly certain she is my Birthe Marie's mother.
Proof:
1) As I said, the initial proof I had of Anne was a PAF file at Family Search, which is next to no proof at all, but it was a good placeholder, and led me to more proof once I had found her.
New Proofs I have found of Anne:
2) I have a record of her daughter Caroline's death, listing her and her husband.
3) I also have Anne's death record, which lists her husband as just Schroder, and gives a different birth date than the one I have, which may mean this is not mine, but a lot of the information matches, enough for me to hold onto it for a moment.
4) I also have their marriage record, which I find very interesting, because it lists her as widowed. Unfortunately, it gives me no information on her husband, but at least it's something else to look for.
5) I do now have a birth record for Birthe Marie which lists both Christian Henrich and Anna.
6) I also have birth records for Christiane Maren, Caroline, and Niels, all of which list Anne and her husband.
7) I also have confirmation records for Christiane Maren and Birthe Marie, listing Anne and her husband.
Needed:
As you can see, the information is now much more complete than what I got from the PAF file. However, because that's where my initial information came from, I have no further information on her family. I would love to know about this first marriage of hers, and who her parents were as well, and if she had any siblings.
As always, if my family or anyone out there has any more information on this family, I'd love to talk to you about them. I'd love to learn more on any of them, if at all possible.
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Brick Wall People Redux – Part 17 – Henrich Christian Schrøder
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Name: Henrich Christian Schrøder
Birth: 1790, Slots-Bjergby, Denmark
Death: unknown
Marriage: 1817, Slots-Bjergby, Denmark
Location(s): Slots-Bjergby, Denmark
Relation to me: Henrich Christian Schrøder was my father's mother's mother's mother's mother's father. Which makes him 7th generation before me.
Alias(es): None known at this time.
Parents: unknown
Spouse(s): Anne Sorensdatter
Children: 5 known – Chrestian, Maren, Birthe Marie, Caroline, Niels
Other Family: none known
Details:
Despite looking, I still have not found out much more about Henrich and his wife. I am still missing a great deal of information about this man, despite what I have found at Ancestry and Family Search. I do hope to find more in the future.
Proof:
1) The only proof I had of Henrich was a PAF file I found at Family Search, so the information was sketchy at best but the Birthe Marie in the file definitely matched mine, so it matches in that way, at the very least.
New Proof of Henrich:
2) A death record for one of his daughters, listing his and his wife's name.
3) His own death record, listing his wife's name.
4) A marriage record which lists their marriage date as November 20, 1807, but given that their first known child was born 13 years later, I have an alternate date I found somewhere that lists their marriage date as 1817, which I am more inclined to believe. This may be a transcription error, but I am uncertain, as I unable to find the record of their actual marriage in the imaged document at Family Search.
5) I have four birth records for his children listing him.
6) I have also found one death record of a daughter who died shortly after she was born.
7) And I have three confirmation records for his children listing him.
Needed:
I still need a full birth and death date for him, and confirmation of when he and his wife were married. I would also like confirmation of the children I have listed for him. Anything on him, really. I have better proof than I originally did, but I still have a long way to go on him.
As always, if my family or anyone out there has any more information on this family, I'd love to talk to you about them. I'd love to learn more on any of them, if at all possible.
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Brick Wall People Redux – Part 16 – Else Katrine Ivarsdatter
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Name: Else Katrine Ivarsdatter
Birth: November 19, 1815 in Brande, Vejle, Denmark
Death: December 20, 1893 in Denmark
Marriage: April 18, 1835 in Ringive, Denmark
Location(s): Vejle, Denmark
Relation to me: Else is my father's mother's father's mother's mother's mother. Which makes her 7th generation before me.
Alias(es): None known at this time.
Parents: Iver Hansen & Kirsten Nielsdatter
Spouse(s): Christen Hansen
Children: Niels, Mette Marie, Hans Christian, Kirsten, Maren Kristine, Ivare Kirstine, Iver Vindbjerg, Else Marie, Mette Margrete (died young), Mette Margrete
Other Family: Hans Iversen, paternal grandfather; Else Nielsdatter, paternal grandmother; Niels Christensen, maternal grandfather; Else Pedersdatter, maternal grandmother; Else Johanne, sister; Niels, brother; Hans, brother; Else Kirstine, sister; Nicoline, sister; Nielsine Mette Kirstine, sister. Among many others in her extended family.
Details:
After writing the list of other family above, never have I more wanted to use the Scandinavian system of Farfar and Mormor. So much easier than that long explanation. But… as you can see, I have gotten very much further on Else's ancestral line since I wrote the original posts. I have actually gotten back to her grandparents, with more possible hints on Ancestry that I have not yet looked into, which means she is another success story.
Else has been on my family tree with her husband from the beginning. She was added to the tree by my grandmother's cousin, who was her father's aunt's daughter on this side of the family. But thanks to Ancestry, I have now gotten two more generations back.
Proof:
1) The only proof I had of Else is the information given to us by our distant cousin, who would have been her great granddaughter. Aside from that, I had no other information on her.
New Proof of Else:
2) I now have her confirmation, which lists her birthdate, as well as the names of her parents.
3) I have her in several Census records: 1834 with her parents and siblings; and 1840, 1845, 1850, 1870, 1880, and 1890 with her husband.
4) Her marriage record to Christen in 1835.
5) Birth records for eight of her ten known children.
6) Confirmation records for six of her ten known children.
Needed:
I now have all three of the big three records on Else, as well as a fairly good list of her children, and connections to her parents. Because I've gotten so far in her tree, I think she can wait now to do more. That makes her my fourth success story out of sixteen so far. Not bad, actually.
As always, if my family or anyone out there has any more information on this family, I'd love to talk to you about them. I'd love to learn more on any of them, if at all possible.
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Brick Wall People Redux – Part 15 – Christen Hansen
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Name: Christen Hansen
Birth: February 19, 1809 in Ringive, Vejle, Denmark
Death: May 25, 1890 in Ringive, Vejle, Denmark
Marriage: April 18, 1835 in Ringive, Vejle, Denmark
Location(s): Vejle, Denmark
Relation to me: Christen Hansen was my father's mother's father's mother's mother's father. Which makes him 7th generation before me.
Alias(es): Kresten Christensen until recently, but now he is listed as Christen Hansen on my tree. I'm not sure which is more accurate.
Parents: Hans Christian Hansen & Mette Marie Nielsdatter
Spouse(s): Else Katrine Ivarsdatter
Children: Niels, Mette M, Hans Christian, Maren Kristine, Ivare Kristine, Iver, Else M, Mette Magrete
Other Family: None Known
Details:
As you can see, the name on this post has changed from when I made the original, Kresten Christensen to Christian Hansen. He has been on my family tree from the beginning and was added to the tree by my grandmother's cousin, who was her father's aunt's daughter on this side of the family, which is probably why I have the name issue there that I do. I had a similar issue on the other side of this family, so I'm not surprised that happened.
Because of that issue, I had no idea where to start looking, but as you will see, I have gotten further, at least. Unfortunately, I've only managed to get the names of his parents, and nothing more, not even any siblings. I presume his family were likely farmers, and therefore there are likely few records on them. Luckily, I have found a great deal on Family Search, but I will keep looking, as I would like to get further back.
Proof:
1) The only proof I have of Christen is the information given to us by our distant cousin, who would have been his great granddaughter. Aside from that, I have no other information on him.
New Proof of Christen:
2) The first new proof I have of Christen Hansen, and one that gives me both a general birthdate and also his parent's names, is his confirmation record in 1823, which makes his birthdate about 1809, as he was listed as 14 at the time.
3) The next is his marriage record in 1835 to Else.
4) Then I have records of their childrens' births and confirmations, which more completely connects him to his wife.
5) Then I have found a few Census records for him and his family in 1840,1845, 1850, 1860, 1880, and 1890.
Needed:
I now have BMD information on Christen, but his death date doesn't have an absolute source, and the parents are still tentative as I have no siblings for him yet. His family with his wife is very firm, however, because of the census, birth, and confirmation records I have for them all. He seems to have lived in Vejle his whole life.
I do call him a near miss as to have gotten over his brick wall, but given how little information I have on his parents and none on his siblings, I'm still inclined to think I have some wrong information here, so I will keep looking for him.
As always, if my family or anyone out there has any more information on this family, I'd love to talk to you about them. I'd love to learn more on any of them, if at all possible.
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Brick Wall People Redux – Part 14 – Lars Andersen
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Name: Lars Andersen
Birth: about 1794, Vejle, Denmark
Death: December 5, 1880
Marriage: March 26, 1820, Vejle, Denmark
Alias(es): None known at this time.
Parents: Anders Johansen & Kirsten Larsdattter
Spouse(s): Birthe Marie Sorensen
Children: Anne, Anders, Anne, Berthel, Anders, Else Marie, Mette, Søren, Else Marie, Johannes, Christen, Peder, Søren Christen, Jørgen, Elias
Other Family: none known
Details:
Since finding Lars and his wife, I found a great deal about them on Family Search, though I still have almost nothing on Ancestry, despite looking. After many years of having them listed as Lars Christensen and Oertha (someone had made a B with a squished top part of the letter, so that when it was copied, it got cut off and the bottom of the B looked like an O, so that's how it's been written for years), having corrected names helped greatly. Now I just need to look for more Danish records on Ancestry, to fill out the family over there.
Proof:
1) As I said above, for many years, my only information was that his name was Lars Christensen, which is actually his son's wife's surname, so I think that's where that actually came from, but I could be wrong. The original information came from my grandmother's cousin, Tula, whose mother was Jørgen's daughter.
2) The next real info we got on Lars and his wife was from Jørgen's baptismal record. That gave me their names, though little else.
3) The last is both the most information and the least substantial, as I had no clue who had created the record, nor was I able to verify the records included outside of that record. The Family Search tree included children and dates, but little else, so my only true information comes from that baptismal record until I can find more.
New Proofs I have found of Lars:
4) I have found Birth records for several of Lars's children, listing him and his wife as their parents. Given the names, dates, and location, I am inclined to believe that these are his actual children.
5) I have also found several records for Lars's children's Confirmations, which has the same amount of information that matches.
6) I have found a few Census records listing the Lars Andersen family. There is the 1834 Census, which shows Lars & his wife and Lars's father Anders Johansen, a 24-year-old girl named Mette Marie, who may be his wife's sister, as they share a surname, and six of their children: Anders, Mette, Søren, Johannes, Christen, and Peder.
7) Then there is the 1840 Census, which shows Lars and his wife with Lars's father Anders Johansen, and eight of their children: Anders, Mette, Søren, Johannes, Christen, Peder, Søren Christian, and Jørgen.
8) And there is the 1870 Census, which shows Lars and his wife at the end of their lives, both above 70 years of age.
Needed:
As you can see, I have found his parents, and even a death date, so I consider this wall conquered, though I have no other siblings for him, which means that I do need to keep looking, though for now, I will move another generation back to his parents at this stage.
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Brick Wall People Redux – Part 13 – Ellen Pugh (or possibly Griffiths)
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| Ellen & Hugh with their granddaughter, Eliza |
Death: after 1885
Marriage: before 1846
Location(s): Northern Wales
Relation to me: Ellen Pugh was my maternal grandmother's mother's maternal grandmother, which makes her 6th generation before me.
Alias(es): None known at this time.
Parents: unknown
Other Family: none known
Details: I know little about Ellen or her husband, aside from their names and the photo I have of them. We have a picture of her holding one of his daughter's children. We believe it is our great-grandmother Eliza. Aside from that, I really know very little else about either of them. Their daughter was born in Northern Wales, which likely means they were from that area as well, but as I have no absolute information on their lives, I simply can't be sure.
Proof:
1) Ellen has been in my family tree from the first, which was pieced together with the help of my grandmother, her uncle Ted, and my father. None of whom knew her, unfortunately, which makes the information on her sketchy at best.
2) Then there is the photograph of Hugh, Ellen and the child we believe to be Eliza back in Wales. I am uncertain of the actual date of the photo, but fairly certain of the two Robertses's identities.
3) However, my best proof of her identity and her surname as Pugh is their daughter's death record. It is there she is listed as Ellen Pugh, which is a slightly more valid proof than from family stories, where I had always heard her referred to as Griffiths.
New Proofs I have found of Ellen:
4) As with Hugh, she is listed in the 1851 census with their two listed daughters, Selina and Elizabeth.
Needed:
As with Hugh, she is also listed in the 1891 census with another girl, if I have found them, but I have no other records listing other children, so at this time, I can't be sure this is the same family, given the commonness of their names. Like many of my other brick walls, I have almost no BMD info for her aside from a birth year. As I said above, I know she was alive around the 1880s, but I have no clue when she might have died. I would love to know the names of her parents, and if she had siblings, and where she was born. I would also love to know when and where she married Hugh, and whether or not they had any other children beyond Selina and Elizabeth.
As always, if my family or anyone out there has any more information on this family, I'd love to talk to you about them. I'd love to learn more on any of them, if at all possible.
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Brick Wall People Redux – Part 12 – Hugh Roberts
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| Ellen and Hugh Roberts, and their granddaughter Eliza |
Name: Hugh Roberts
Birth: About 1819
Death: after 1885
Marriage: before 1846
Location(s): Northern Wales
Relation to me: Hugh Roberts was my maternal grandmother's mother's maternal grandfather, which makes him 6th generation before me.
Alias(es): None known at this time.
Parents: unknown
Spouse(s): Ellen Pugh (or possibly Griffiths)
Children: Selina, Elizabeth
Other Family: none known
Details: Hugh Roberts is one of the oldest people in my family tree that I actually have a photo of. I assume he was born sometime in the early 1800s, and we have a picture of him holding one of his daughter's children. We believe it is our great-grandmother Eliza. Aside from that, I really know very little else about him. His daughter was born in Northern Wales, which likely means he was from that area as well, but as I have no absolute information on him, I simply can't be sure.
Proof:
1) Hugh Roberts has been in my family tree from the time I initially put it together, which was pieced together with the help of my grandmother, her uncle Ted, and my father. None of whom knew the man, unfortunately, which makes the information sketchy at best.
2) Then there is the photograph of Hugh, Ellen and the child we believe to be Eliza back in Wales. I am uncertain of the actual date of the photo, but fairly certain of the two Robertses's identities.
3) However, my best proof of his identity is his daughter's death record. It is there he is listed by name, which is a slightly more valid proof than from family stories, where his name might have been mistaken over the century since his death.
New Proofs I have found of Hugh:
4) I found an 1851 Census record listing Hugh, his wife, and two daughters, one of whom was my great-great grandmother Selina, which makes me believe this is them, given the fact that the name was not all that common, especially given it was in the right general area.
Needed:
I have two pieces of possible proof as well, but I am uncertain if they are him, as they do not meet my standard of evidence, which is that they need to hit at least three pieces of evidence I already have on them. The first is a baptism record, which lists his birthdate as August 22, 1819 in northern Wales. It absolutely matches his name, birthyear and general location, but given that I only have a year, and that based on a Census record, and only know for certain he was from in or around the Dolgelly area in Northern Wales when his daughter was born, the record isn't enough to be sure it's him, given that Hugh Roberts would be like finding a Michael Smith. The other is a record in the 1891 Census with a Hugh & Ellen Roberts, and a third daughter, but again, it's not enough to be certain this is my family. Yet. I keep looking, though.
I still don't have great BMD info for him, just a year of birth. As I said above, I know he was alive around the 1880s, but I have no clue when he might have died beyond that. I would love to know the names of his parents, and if he had siblings, and where he was born. I would also love to know when he and Ellen were married, and what children they had aside from Selina and Elizabeth, if any, and particularly, I would like to prove or disprove this third daughter, whose name is Louisa Anne.
As always, if my family or anyone out there has any more information on this family, I'd love to talk to you about them. I'd love to learn more on any of them, if at all possible.
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Brick Wall People Redux – Part 11 – ? Dunlop
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Name: ? Dunlop
Birth: unknown
Death: unknown
Marriage: unknown
Location(s): Ireland
Relation to me: Miss Dunlop was my maternal grandfather's mother's paternal grandmother, which makes her 6th generation before me.
Alias(es): None known at this time.
Parents: unknown
Other Family: none known
Details: Like John Park, I have made no more movement on Miss Dunlop. I am currently unaware of much else about her, though I do speculate that my great-grandmother Mary Dunlop Park might have been named for her, which would make her name Mary, but as of yet, I have no proof of this, so it is only speculation at this time.
Proof:
1) My only true proof of Miss Dunlop's existence is her son's death record in Vancouver, BC.
2) However, unlike her husband, I do have a secondary source for her family name. Even before finding Robert's death record, I had speculated that I would find Dunlop as a surname on one side or the other of this branch, as both my great-grandmother and her younger brother's middle names are Dunlop.
Needed:
As you can see, there has been no change on this branch at all. Every other wall on this generation, I've found at least a few more proofs of the ancestor, but with these two, Robert's death record is still the only piece of proof I have they even existed.
I still have absolutely no BMD info for her but I am at least sure she was alive in 1851, as that is about when her son was born. I also know she was in Ireland at the time, whether or not she was born there, as he is listed as having been born in Antrim, or possibly Ballymena according to one census record I have for her son, which lists his birthplace as there. Beyond that, I know absolutely nothing about her. I do hope to find more records on her, but without a first name, I've almost nothing to go on, and her husband's name is nearly as useless, as John is literally the most common name in the British Isles. All I can do at this time is to keep looking and hope that I find more. At this point, I'm really mostly desperate to know her name, whether it was Mary or something else entirely.
If my family or anyone out there has any more information on this family, I'd love to talk to you about them. I'd love to learn more on any of them, if at all possible.
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